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    Posted: 24 Mar 2008 at 9:47pm
I am so frustrated that Mr. CLine is insistent on charging everyone for gym/cafeteria school usage....He is going to get everyone in this community so angry that there will never be a levy to pass....Has he not figured out that this is a close knit community where city rules are left at the bottom of the hill...Anything that is done extra out here is not for profitt and for the greater good of Madison students, community, and school system...
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Dr. Cline and Mr. Zimov are all about the mighty $$$. They do not care about the community, students, or staff.  Ask any staff member at the schools and they will tell you that this administration has done nothing but negative things for our schools.  The teachers are already very unhappy and now the community will be as well. Stand up and be heard. Let the board know that Dr. Cline is not good for Madison Schools. 
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Originally posted by Justme

Dr. Cline and Mr. Zimov are all about the mighty $$$. They do not care about the community, students, or staff.  Ask any staff member at the schools and they will tell you that this administration has done nothing but negative things for our schools.  The teachers are already very unhappy and now the community will be as well. Stand up and be heard. Let the board know that Dr. Cline is not good for Madison Schools. 


I couldn't agree with you more...
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Some of you may know the circumstances surrounding the basis of this post, others may not.  I'm sure we will elaborate on it soon enough, but I will say that another local school district that has two kids on this our team has stepped up and offered gym time to us (Valley View).  It's a shame that we had to scramble like we did and worry the kids with something that they shouldn't have had to worry about.  Ever felt like the rug had been yanked from under your feet?
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Remind me again why we worked our butts off to pass a levy???Cry
 
If this was going to be such a rule why is it just now that they are charging???
No one had to pay during basketball or other events
 
I think this must be another SIGN of our financial crisis that has come out of no where. I wonder when we are going to be told that it is getting this bad!  When the intermediate gym becomes a "community gym" who will be in charge of it then and since it is a community gym who will get the money for the use of the facility???
 
Hey HERE"S YOUR SIGN Tongue!!!!
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For more information, read this post on the school's website.
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This is what is posted on the school website. 
 
 
 
Facility Fees For Non-Madison Groups
Some folks in the community are wondering why we are now enforcing the board’s policy on facility usage, charging fees to some groups not serving a majority of Madison students. Besides being good public policy, it is just good business.
The mission of Madison Local Schools is to service the educational needs of Madison residents, who pay a large portion of the costs for these services. When outside groups use our facilities, utility costs go up. We also spend more for custodians and maintenance of our facilities. Often, some groups have been less-than-careful with our facilities and we have major costs to repair equipment or buildings. Recently, when we were having problems with our sewage flow, it was learned that someone had disposed of car tires in a sanitary manhole behind the athletic fields. This line flows directly to our sewage plant. A hazardous waste contractor was hired to remove the tires from our sewer line. This is only one example of the additional costs incurred when those using district facilities are not mindful of the costs associated with abuse. Event cleanup costs alone have soared this year with usage by all groups. Custodian overtime, garbage disposal fees, and utilities are costs that are born by district residents when groups from other communities use Madison facilities. Those costs are rising because of inflation, and because our facilities are in high demand by groups from inside and outside Madison Township.

The Madison Board of Education wants community groups and groups serving district children to have reasonable access to the facilities to promote the mission of the school district without a fee. We all hope to keep fees to a bare minimum for outside groups who wish to use district facilities. However, it would be irresponsible to manage these assets without consideration for the taxpayers who foot the bills, and without regard to liability risks incurred each time someone steps foot on the property. Proof of liability insurance is required from non-school-related groups because the board’s insurance does not cover those groups. Allowing uninsured activities (particularly those involving children) to happen in an absence of liability coverage is not only against long-standing board policy, but would also risk the financial well-being of the school district.

Responsible facilities management is another aspect of the board’s commitment to stretching local levy dollars while accomplishing the district's primary mission of educating children. Our hope is that the community will see this as an improvement over wasteful practices, knowing that fewer future tax dollars will be needed through proper management of facilities and grounds. These assets represent a large investment by Madison residents. Our goal is to manage them for quality, cost-effectiveness, and longevity.

Dr. Chris Cline, Superintendent

Mark Zimov, CFO

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I don't see anything out of line here with this policy. Our softball team will be using the gym in April and I had no issues with the school securing the gym. But, we have a majority of players from Madison (8) and carry insurance for each player.
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I really think that the "powers that be" need to be a little more specific as to who pays and who does not.  If a team wants to use the gym, how many players/coaches need to be from Madison before the use is free?  They have to be even across the board with EVERYONE.  If a team has one player who is not a "resident" are they going to be charged?
Not trying to sound negative or contrary, just needs to be completely spelled out and even across the board.
Also, the tire issue really has nothing to do with who uses the school grounds.  Any Tom, Dick, or Harry can drive onto school grounds at any time day or night and dump their garbage there.  That was a sad and horrible thing to do, but really has nothing to do with this issue.
If people would take the time to put themselves in others shoes..... the world would be a much nicer place!
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It is a well written response, but there is more to it than being able to write what people want to hear.  This letter is damage control. 

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Great post Willymay.  We have a team that is 90% Madiosn girls and Coaches.  We would use it,  but not if there is going to be a fee. Which from talking to the AD all traveling have to pay a fee.  I think they shouldn't point fingers at the youth teams.  From talking to some school staff it is the older teams (HS) that are being less than careful .
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I am still kinda new to this board.  I am guessing that this message has to do with Select teams using Madison fields and gyms for practice/games. I do not have a child on a select team, however - in my opinion, school grounds and facilities should be used for School Teams.  The children/parents who pay the registration fee and SUPPORT Madison teams should be the ones who have rights over the fields and gym.  If you choose to have your child on a select team that is your choice.  BUT, the parents and children who chose to be on a MADISON team Should have Rights first.  Do you think it is fair that the parents who paid a Madison registration fee be given less practice time due to a select team needing to practice?  In my opinion No. Put yourself in the other persons shoe - if you can - and understand why they as Paying Parents and children do not think it is fair. 
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Originally posted by AndreaR

I am still kinda new to this board.  I am guessing that this message has to do with Select teams using Madison fields and gyms for practice/games. I do not have a child on a select team, however - in my opinion, school grounds and facilities should be used for School Teams.  The children/parents who pay the registration fee and SUPPORT Madison teams should be the ones who have rights over the fields and gym.  If you choose to have your child on a select team that is your choice.  BUT, the parents and children who chose to be on a MADISON team Should have Rights first.  Do you think it is fair that the parents who paid a Madison registration fee be given less practice time due to a select team needing to practice?  In my opinion No. Put yourself in the other persons shoe - if you can - and understand why they as Paying Parents and children do not think it is fair. 


The only teams that are truly MADISON teams are in grades 7-12 that actually play for the school. Please keep in mind that just because your child may play football, baseball, soccer, etc. in Madison it doesn't make it a Madison team. The school does not sponsor or play any part in those teams. Honestly, a select team is no different than a team that paid MYAA or whatever other Madison organization registration fees because the school has nothing to do with these teams.
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Although you are correct about 7-12 grade teams, without the MYAA, MSC, and the Boys and Girls basketball programs their would not be a need for 7-12 sports. If we don't continue to provide the BEST youth sports we can offer, JR. & SR. High teams wont be worth having. That is a FACT that has been proven over and over. If you look around at successful High School Sports Programs, (like the Madison Girls Program) they learned how to play from 3rd grade up, not high school down......I don't wont to mention any schools by name, but we could very well end up like them, losing 40-0 everytime, instead of winning when we play them.
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I agree with you that the youth programs are essential. I just don't think its fair to say that a team shouldn't have equal access to the gym because they are labeled a "traveling team" when they have 90% Madison kids on it.  
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Originally posted by chapman23

If you look around at successful High School Sports Programs, (like the Madison Girls Program) they learned how to play from 3rd grade up, not high school down......


agree, but even programs like the madison girls basketball will take unfair advantatge of the gym usage if not policed- last year it was no secret that one team held 3-4 practices a week while others had to double up on gym time with other teams .
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Gym time could have easily been monitored and distributed much more evenly if a master schedule had been developed and run by the athletic dept - like in the past.  However, Dr. Cline refused to have the gyms (all three) run with a master schedule (by our unneeded AD) and many conflicting gym schedules surfaced.  Another bright idea by Dr. Cline!
The Madison youth programs need gym time (travelling) or not.  These are the kids of the community and parents of the community that pay the expenses for the school.  If someone wishes to determine what an outside group is they need to spell that out in the policy.  If the school wants to recoup some of its losses due to use, I would think a season fee with guaranteed #'s of gym hours would not be an unreasonable request.
By the way - who is going to monitor the gym schedule now that we have a part-time AD and three principals each scheduling their own gym times?
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Sounds like another case of no communication! Wow how much more of this is going to happen until we hold "the powers that be" accountable for their actions or more like lack of action???? How many times does a specific person or small group of people need to be called out on the carpet before we do something? If you'll remember, it wasn't too long ago when our community joined together and showed the last misguiding superintendant that we were not going to allow our tax money to be manipulated. I'd say its time to take another stand. When is the next board meeting? I really think we need to fill that place up. Typing on here and taking action are 2 different things. We've got to take action for our kids and community!
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I agree that the master schedule should not have been taken away from the AD..If one person knows who is where when, you can figure out which group is not being as responsible as they should..Everyone should not be penalized for a small groups mistakes..Also, I don't feel it is clear cut as to what substantiates a community group...My daughters team which is represented by 5 madison residents was denied "free" gym usage because we were considered select but yet other select teams are being granted gym usage...They did quote us a usage charge of $100 an hour(don't laugh) I can guarentee that this price is not being inforced for everyone...
 
Double standards SUCK!!!! You either charge everyone the same or not...It is not fair to say beause one group has 6/7 of Madison users can have gym for free or nominal price and another with 5 gets charge $100 an hour...
 
The YMCA only charges 45!!!!Censored
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CAUTION:  RANT BELOW.... 
 
I'm glad some groups have not had issues with this ordeal.  I will say that our team is coached by 3 Madison parents, and we have 2 Madison girls on the team, which is all that is allowed by the AAU rules.  There is no room to fudge on the numbers of kids from each school.  Two is the limit.  We also had a $1,000,000.00 insurance policy in place, liablility waivers signed, were scheduled gym time thru the school, THEN told after having a couple practices that we would be charged $100.00 a session.  There was no opportunity to address this cost with our team since we were under the impression that the gym time was covered.  Our parents were quoted the fees for playing, and there was no way we could go back and ask them to absorb the newly required gym costs.
 
  Doug, I can see how you would not have an issue with the policy, as you have not been dealt the hand that was dealt to us.  I hope you never are faced with the same situation, and I mean that.  But if you are, you may very well change your outlook on this mess. 
 
    And folks, please, don't misinterpret this situation as if our group was knocking other groups out of using the gym.  This was not the case.  There was no "Madison group" that was left out because our "outside group" was going to use the gym.   
 
  Is everyone using the gym required to carry the insurance like we did?  Everyone?  Is each group a non profit organization?  I don't know.  Is each group looked upon fairly and equally, and judged with an unbiased opinion?  Don't know.  Is my group one of these "outside" groups, even thought I am a tax paying resident of Madison Township, with 2 kids of my own in this school system?  Well, I guess so.  If that's the rules folks, well then that's the rules.  We'll live by them.  I just want everyone to be treated the same.  EVERYONE.  PERIOD.  None of this typical political bullcrap that we are all so tired of, the different interpretation of the rules that I have heard so much of. 
 
  And lastly, does the Valley View School district not incur any of the added expenses that Cline detailed in his letter for gym usage?  They have 2 girls on the roster on our team.  That's right....2.  No Valley View parents coaching.  Just the two kids.  Yet, without hesitation, graciously agreed to provide us with gym time.  I guess that's just the way they take care of their own.  No hoops to jump thru, nothing other than the image that they care about the people in their community....and about the KIDS from other communities as well. 
 
  Do I understand Madison's position?  Yep!  Do I agree with it?  Nope!  Am I happy with the way this was handled and addressed?  Absolutely not!  What's right......is right.  Enough said.
 
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